Every Monday I will be
posting new interviews with Christian leaders to find in-depth counsel
on issues such as ministry, family, careers, politics, finance, and
theology. Today's interview is with Assembly of God Lead Pastor of Villages Community Church in Fort Worth, Texas Jennifer McAcfee.
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| Lead Pastor-Jennifer McAfee |
PAUL: First
if you can give a small summary of who you are, what you do and what is your
greatest passion in life?
JENNIFER: I
am a wife to an incredible man of God who works as a Lead Software
Quality Assurance Tester. We celebrated our 6 year wedding anniversary a
few weeks ago, and have an amazing 2 year old daughter. I am the lead
pastor of a new church plant in Northeast Fort Worth, Villages Community
Church. I also serve on the Northeast Fort Worth Section Committee as
the Secretariat. I am passionate about seeing God in every moment,
hearing God's direction, correction, and instruction, and courageously
obeying Him at all costs. I love building the local church, encouraging
ministers, and cultivating leadership.
PAUL: 1.
Jennifer, share with me the lessons you have personally learned that
may help emerging Christian women leaders from your story of you
becoming a Lead Pastor in a local church? As you know, women in high
ranking leadership roles both in the secular world and in the religious
circles have been given little if any encouragement to pursue callings
of leadership.
JENNIFER: What
comes to mind is stop worrying about what other people say and think.
There will be a lot of people for you and a lot of people not for you. Those who
are opposed will be the loudest in your ears, foremost in your
thoughts, and heaviest on your heart. You have to operate on a level of
self-control that many do not. Rather than allowing these
discouragements to control you, you must control them with peaceful mind
of Christ. Rather than fixating on opposition, surround yourself with a
stellar support system of both women and men of God. I am learning that
I will receive as much encouragement as I am willing to discover.
As a
woman called to ministry, you will be hard pressed to find the same
opportunities in mentoring, relationship, and visibility as men in
ministry. I have learned that I can't wait for those opportunities to
appear, rather I have to seek them out. I have grown a thick skin,
enabling me to ask and see. You have to be able to stomach rejection and
let it go rather than holding on to it and being bitter. Are you
willing to engage a mentoring relationship that is less formal? Read
books, ask to sit in on meetings a couple times a year, always have
three questions prepared to ask, etc. There was a time I sat around
waiting for opportunity and encouragement to come to me. It was lonely.
It was depressing. It was a distraction from the mission of Christ to be
working through me. When God called me to step out and plant a church,
He also gave me key correction in how to engage leaders in my life, and
my life has never been the same. God said, "Jennifer, I have called you
to love, encourage, and support your leaders. Do that and let me do the
rest." It was the absolute most liberating choice of obedience I have
ever made. I saw God transform people's hearts, minds, and perspectives
not by my persuasion, but by His transformation alone.
Now I feel
absolutely encouraged, loved, and supported. Why? Because I have chosen
to surround myself with the leaders God has called me to encourage,
love, and support. I do not seek formal mentoring from them, rather I
choose to allow them to shape my life as I encourage, love, and support
them. It is mentoring on my terms, in a manner that isn't about what I
get from them, but in a manner led by how I can offer honor, service,
and unconditional love.
PAUL: 2. What do you feel is the most
significant barrier to female Christian leadership? and as a follow
up...how did you personally overcome such obstacles?
JENNIFER: We need visible
examples to follow. There is an incredible void of opportunity when it
comes to women leaders being visible. The value of this visibility isn't
equality, recognition, or prestige. High level visibility of women
serving in lead pastoral roles is important so that other women can see
that it is and can be done. Prior to God radically calling me to plant
churches, being a lead pastor was never on my radar.
I grew up with my
Dad sitting me on his knee and whispering in my ear, "You can do and be
anything God tells you to do and be." Yet somewhere along the way I
internalized a belief that there were certain things God only used men
to do, and leadership was one of those things. Where did this belief
come from? I was not raised to believe that. I received a call to
ministry at a young age. I am the oldest of five children. I have always
been a leader in every context I have ever been in since I was a child.
Yet leading in ministry never crossed my mind. I assumed I would be a
pastor's wife. When I graduated SAGU unmarried and absolutely single, I
sought out positions in children's ministry and worship, because that is
what a woman could do.
Where did this mindset come from if it wasn't
something taught to me outright? I firmly believe it is because I never
saw it done before. I knew of women evangelists, worship leaders,
missionaries, and kids pastors. My youth pastor was a woman. I never was
exposed to a female senior pastor or in executive leadership. That
vacuum exists still to this day. Those who are prominent features at
conferences, retreats, councils, and serve in leadership by in large are
men. We need more women being made visible in these contexts, not for
the sake of equality, rather for the sake of showing the way.
The
way I have overcome this obstacle is clinging to relationship with the
female lead pastors that I do meet. I am now in a life-long covenant
relationship with four other female lead pastors. We stay connect
consistently, retreat together, and encourage one another in life and
ministry. I also have chosen to be an example to other women. I
intentionally share my experiences with transparency every opportunity
that is feasible for my family and life. I may not have an easily
visibly woman to model my ministry development after, but I will
certainly live with an approachability and transparent vulnerability
that will enable other women to have an example to learn from (successes
and failures.)
PAUL: 3.
Our culture today has been characterized as a sex-crazed, sexually
motivated generation. Even top corporate brands like Axe and GoDaddy use
what's called sex-marketing. From your perspective, how can Christian
women raise their voices against such practices and avoid being caught
in the swift current of always having to look "sexy" to please the
culture while in many instances compromising their own walk in the fear
of the Lord?
JENNIFER: The
most powerful voice a woman has, especially in relation to society's
sex drive, is to simply be counter-cultural. Wear clothes that are
modest, yet trendy. There is not a need to sacrifice style for the sake of
modesty. You can honor God and still look great! When you are among
other people, shopping, watching television, etc voice when something is
lacking modesty. Voicing your dislike is not a free-pass to be a mean
girl. Voice your preference, not your arrogance. Carry yourself and
respect yourself and others in such a way that causes others to take
notice and WANT to be more honoring of themselves and others as well. I
think we do harm when we voice our dislike in a spiritual manner.
Modesty absolutely is a spiritual act of honoring God. But to the one
who does not know God, it sounds restrictive. Instead, modesty is about
self-respect. Modesty has the power to decrease discrimination, sexual
abuse, lack of equality, sexualization of women, sexual harassment,
pornography, adultery, teen pregnancy, abortion, rape,
molestation...the list can go on and on. If women AND men would choose
self-respect by modesty then the attitude of society toward gender would
heal in significant ways.
I think it is important to note that men need
to be equally as mindful about modesty as women. Men are sexualized
constantly. Women lust too. Women struggle with pornography too...50 Shades of Grey has proven that (although romance novels have been around
for ages). Too often the church has taken a stance on this sexual craze
in society that says it is the woman's fault for mens struggle. I think
it is time brothers and sisters in Christ start taking responsibility
for their own choices, as well as taking responsibility for honoring and
respecting one another. Another thought on this topic. We are living in
a time where society's perspective of sex is in a dramatic shift.
Homosexuality is no longer embraced by the majority of Americans as
taboo, but acceptable. Modesty must be pursued by both men and women in
all places and times, being mindful of both men and women. A woman
choosing modesty is living in a way that guards their safety and
respect, as well as guards the hearts and minds of other men and women. A
man choosing modesty is living in a way that guards his safety and
respect, as well as guards the hearts and minds of other men and women.
PAUL: 4.
Jennifer, I have personally seen abused women who shared stories of
physical beatings, rape, gang rape, emotional abuse from husbands, and
even marital rape around the world and the effect healing has when the
Holy Spirit unties and heals years of pain and torment. Women seldom
talk about the abuse they went through especially if it has been or is
being done in Christian homes. What counsel would you share with women
struggling to share the pain in years past or even recent memories?
JENNIFER: Find
a safe spiritual family who is trustworthy. Be transparent with the
Pastoral couple of your church. Healing begins by confessing sins that
have been done. This doesn't mean you have sinned, it means you are
confessing the sins that have been done toward you. That darkness that
has blanketed your heart and soul must be pulled back in the light of
Jesus' mercy and grace. Only you can let that light in, and you need a
safe supportive family to be by your side as you courageously allow the
Holy Spirit in to those hidden hells. Let your Pastors care for you, and
seek professional help as well. It takes a brave person to admit when
they need help. Pastor's can spiritually lead you. A licensed counselor
can psychologically help you heal. A safe spiritual family can support
you through the ups and downs that are guaranteed as you confront your
past so that God can bless you with a free and blessed future in Him.
PAUL: 5. Who
have been key folks in your life that have greatly encouraged you in
your ministry and even personally? How did that make you feel?
JENNIFER: First
and foremost is my husband, Andy McAfee. He has been absolutely
supportive in every way imaginable. He knows my weaknesses and still
believes there is nothing that I am not able to do in Christ. He sees
God's call on my life, he affirms God's anointing that rests on me, and
he supports my obedience to God. I am so thankful that God blessed me
with such a secure and strong man of God. My parents, Tom and Emily
Alderman, and my in-laws, Richard and Jina McAfee, are constantly
encouraging me in ministry and life. My lifelong sisters - Preacher
Girls Rachel Ross, Kathy Cannon, Leila Ojela, and Korista Lewis. I
am so thankful for such supportive District Leadership here in North
Texas. Pastors Rick Dubose, Gaylan Claunch, David Henry, Nova Pittman,
and Mike Harper have been such an incredible source of encouragement.
The Northeast Fort Worth Section is full of men and women who have been
an incredible source of blessing and support, and it is such an honor to
serve alongside Presbyter Roger Lewis and fellow committee-persons
Randy Sheridan, Jeff Strickland, David Freeman, and Ken Harris. Pastor
Rod Loy, Pastor Scott Wilson, Pastor George O. Wood, Pastor Doug Clay,
Pastor Ron Hawkins, Dr. Hardin, Dr. Hayes, Dr. Bartel, Dr. Hester, Steve
Pike, John Jay Wilson, John Davidson, Jason and Renee Exley, John and
Gwen Miller, Mary Beadles...I could write page upon page the names of
all the people who have been such a powerful source of encouragement and
blessing to me in ministry and life. I am truly blessed beyond measure,
and definitely beyond what I deserve.
PAUL: 6. What have you noticed and see great hope for in the millennial generation?
JENNIFER: Courage
to demand truth, justice, love, and transparency. By and large the
millennial generation cares more about relationship and the family unit
than the appearance of success. This generation will not just jump, they
want to know exactly what they are jumping into, and when they do
finally jump it is with absolute loyalty and commitment. Those are the
makings of the greatest disciple-making generation this world has ever
encountered!
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| Jennifer |
PAUL: 7.
As a mom, pastor, wife, and friend when and how do you find time to
relax and collect your thoughts and hear from the Lord? Also, what helps
you stay motivated to do what you do?
JENNIFER: First
of all, I have to confess that I am TERRIBLE at relaxing. I am in a
season of learning how to rest and discover what I enjoy outside of the
work of the ministry. I absolutely LOVE the work of the ministry, and so
I tend to just keep on keeping on. I am learning that this is not
healthy. I need to have a place of relaxation, rest, and reprieve to
quiet my heart and rejuvenate my soul. This fall I have made it my
mission to make my home a sanctuary, a place of comfort and tranquility.
As one who works from home, it has not been this. This week I
rearranged the house in such a way that it carries a calm and intimate
feeling. This has been a wonderful change for me. I now can sit in my
home while my daughter naps, and by lamp light sit in my comfy chair and
simply breath and rest in the presence of God. I keep the television
off, no music, no computers, the phone on silent, and I just sit and
mentally talk to God. I always make it a point to acknowledge God and
that this is our time. Sometimes, after this acknowledgement, I just
rest in his presence. I have NEVER been able to do this before! For the
first time in my entire memory of life I can actually sit and not have a
million thoughts flooding my brain. I believe that many people struggle
with this. We live in a digital era where communication and
productivity are available at a touch of a button. I believe we tend to
live in sensory overload. We are so great at multitasking life that we
miss out on living life with Christ. I am learning how to do that. This
time is so precious to me, but it isn't my only time with God. In fact, I
don't get to spend this kind of rest in Him every day. It usually
occurs once ever three days or so. Every morning I wake up, and before I
do anything else I spend time in the word - reading scripture,
journaling what I observe God doing in that Scripture, journaling what I
should apply to my life from that Scripture, and journaling my
conversation with God in light of that Scripture. This week I am
beginning to do this with 4 chapters a morning. I can't go a day without
this time. It is my breakfast of champions!
I
desperately need this time with God. Ministry is so hard. Often I feel
all eyes on me. There are times where I sense that people are watching
and wondering if this can really work, a woman leading a church. I feel
this pressure to be an example to other women. I feel like at any moment
I could drop it all and leave a legacy of failure. Now, I know that
some of those feelings are straight up a lie from the enemy. Some of
those feelings are true and real, but not for me to spend time and
energy fixating on. Some of those feelings don't matter at all. It is
easy to start drowning in all the emotions and awareness of it all.
There are days where I am doing all I can to just keep my head above
water. There are days that I just want to quit, not because things are
so bad but because I don't know why God chose me. Sometimes in the midst
of it all I imagine what it would be like to live a normal life that
blends in. "I can go to a church, be a godly wife, be a godly mom, teach
a Sunday School Class." That would be a life changing existence that
leaves a powerful legacy and blends in with perfect acceptability. My
mom and mother-in-law taught me well by living this powerful
world-changing example for me out loud. The problem with me following in
their footsteps is that is not the future God built me to live. God
shaped me to lead. God shaped me to forge into the dangerous wilderness
to make it a smoother journey for those who are coming behind me. God
created me for a challenging and adventurous life and ministry. The
problem with the "normal" life is that it is not normal for me. God
created me for difficulty. If life and ministry wasn't and adverse
reality, I would be terribly bored and out of my element. Some boats are
made for rowing, some for tugging, some for carrying, some for
cruising, some for speeding, and some for weathering the storms. I am a
stormy ship. Recently God has been incredibly mindful in encouraging me
in my call, through MANY unrelated sources. The message has been the
same...my life is a pearl of great price, clarifying a crown for
eternity rather than present, and measured by a success that humanity
cannot understand but only the Holy Spirit reveals.
What motivates me to
do what I do is knowing that what I do - this life I lead - is what I
was built, shaped, created, and purposefully engineered to do and be. If
I did anything else I would be lost because it isn't the life I was
called, ordained, anointed, and appointed to live. The ease of being
something else would be the weight of losing who I am created to be.
This statement by Paul in Philippians 1:20-21 best states what motivates me to keep obeying the call of Christ,
" 20 I expect and hope that I will not ·fail Christ in [L be ashamed about] anything but that I will have the ·courage [boldness] now, as always, ·to show the greatness of Christ [or so that Christ will be exalted] in my ·life here on earth [L body], whether I live or die. 21 [L For] To me ·the only important thing about living [L to live] is Christ, and ·dying would be profit for me [L to die is gain/profit]."